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Re: Elm Fork Trinity River Denton Greenbelt Disaster [Re: texasflycaster] #15006015 03/03/24 12:41 PM
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Yes, and I think that’s the point here.
The Trinity River and its basin have been a riddle that north Texas has never solved and will never be solved.
I believe the Trinity flooding of 1908 and then 1922 are the two most devastating natural events in DFW history…more devastating than any tornado.

For over a hundred years, DFW has spent hundreds of millions making her smaller and more manageable. This direction, of course was reversed about thirty years ago with the Trinity River project, with the desire to make the River bigger again as it runs through the downtown areas….now they are having second thoughts on degrees of expansion.

The powers at DFW are rudderless when it comes to a clear goal for the Trinity….and it’s understandable. It’s a bizarre river and watershed. It’s too shallow for any significant transportation and can go a decade dry and pathetic. Then, we can get a two week twenty year rain from Nocona to Sanger, and it turns into the Mississippi for a month.



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Re: Elm Fork Trinity River Denton Greenbelt Disaster [Re: texasflycaster] #15008460 03/05/24 09:56 PM
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In the meantime, we can take comfort in knowing that we can simply use one of the dozen well-maintained TPWD/Coprs areas that are within a 20-mile radius at what I believe to be a reasonable cost (i..e: generally free to $7).

Net net, I think the TPWD does a pretty good job... they have had a few losers (this is not the only one in DFW). However, for the most part, I think that they do a pretty good job in a zero-income tax state.

Just my two cents. Take it for what it is.

Re: Elm Fork Trinity River Denton Greenbelt Disaster [Re: texasflycaster] #15043664 04/11/24 04:45 PM
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I apologize in advance - for getting a little, shall we say, emotional on this topic. It's wearing me out again. I need a vacation far away for a long time.

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Re: Elm Fork Trinity River Denton Greenbelt Disaster [Re: texasflycaster] #15043903 04/11/24 08:32 PM
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You are fighting a losing battle here.

You seem to be hyper-focused on a few miles of an otherwise reasonably well-maintained waterway. This few miles kinda sucks (I get it), but the rest is reasonably well maintained.


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Re: Elm Fork Trinity River Denton Greenbelt Disaster [Re: texasflycaster] #15044655 04/12/24 09:58 PM
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So is 8 miles a few miles? You lost me here. Maybe I'm ignorant. "Reasonably well maintained" means what? Maybe you have seen something recently, that I missed? This used to be a wide open end-to-end Ray Roberts to Lewisville Lake run. I guess you knew that. If you watch the two videos, one is focused on HWY380 TPWD park, which is useless. The other focuses on the other end at TPWD Ray Roberts Dam Park, where the kayak steps are useless because they drop into a mud bog, not the Elm Fork anymore. And if you are a fishing person who kayaks? The primary fish we used to catch end-to-end are GONE. So with both ends a wasteland, and the TPWD 428 Park suffering from log jams nearby and a silted in kayak launch ... I guess there cold be a "reasonably well-maintained" section somewhere. No one is able to get ON it because there is no reasonably well-maintained kayak access launch point ...

But, you are fundamentally onto something - I will be seeing and showing the REST of the log jams along the rest of the Elm Fork once I have an opportunity. If you would like to have a real adventure, please feel free to come with me! Not only will I be getting as much of the Elm Fork exposed as I can possibly do, I will also be launching at the Dam Park at Ray Roberts (when the weather is more stable) and seeing just how far I can reasonably go. Then, if possible, portage, and keep on going. Should be a real blast!!

Re: Elm Fork Trinity River Denton Greenbelt Disaster [Re: texasflycaster] #15045113 04/13/24 02:27 PM
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Im talking about the Trinity River in the DFW region... yes, most of it is reasonably well-maintained and portions of it (mostly on the West Fork branch) are downright gorgeous.

They allowed this section (between two reservoirs) to serve as a flood control area and get log jammed... they keep the rest of it clear... This tells me that they are "allowing" it on this section rather than "ignoring" it.

Just sharing how I see it. You do you.

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I see. The only thing I am talking about here is Elm Fork from Ray Roberts to Lewisville Lake, sort of, to Lewisville Lake. It's sort of all over the place actually. This is not just about fishing, or me, or you. This is about exponential growth in (I'll stick to where I live) Denton proper and Denton County AND the lack of recreational waterways for the new arrivals from other places. I really am not doing me folks.

SO I STOPPED AT THE RAMP at the 455 Dam Park, a TPWD managed park to the edge of the water TODAY, and here's what I found at the northernmost Canoe "launch" point at the bend of the River.
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Looks great, a pathway, a sign and the mystery of what's through the opening.
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Here is what awaits people who do not get out of their cars - to actually look out below. Not exactly a TPWD showcase, is it?
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And just in case that looks like water to you? Look again, up close. A USACE mosquito infested mud bog.

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