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 Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 12:43 PM
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ssmith
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this is how the rule could be enforced if you have a 19 ft skeeter with a 175 on it an you are out running the 20 ft boats with 250 on them someone could protest you an force you to be polygraphed an you could get caught that way an the insurance deal is a bigger problem if you have an accident where you are over horsepowered an chunck a passenger out or worse their family could be looking to collect all you have an then some. the horsepower limits on boats an tournaments are there to protect fishermen from themselves.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 12:46 PM
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beartrap
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back in mid 80's i had a Merc XR-2 150 hp ....150 hp was limit for redman tournys and this particular engine was new design and they were having lot of problems with lower units blowing ...mine blew up and they had shortage of new units so they put a 175 lower unit on mine temporarily.....I asked tourny director if having a 175 lower unit was breaking the rules and he said No and they were aware of the problems Merc was having and this was not the intent of their rules plus a different lower unit did not pose a safety hazard....
incidentally,if you win a tourny,most trails require that you pass a polygraph test and they are going to ask you if you broke any tournament rules..also lot of trails will give a random polygraph test to someone in the top ten....
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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04/24/24 12:54 PM
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From the Texas Bass Nation North Central Region rules:
"8. BOATS & MOTORS: All boats and motors must meet U.S. Coast Guard and State
regulations. No motor shall exceed the BIA rating for that boat. The maximum
horsepower allowed for any contestant’s boat will be 250 hp. Minimum boat length for
any contestant’s boat is 16 ft. ..."
From the Texas Bass Nation Open Team Trail rules:
5. BOAT, BASIC BOAT EQUIPMENT, MOTOR and SAFETY:
• The maximum outboard engine horsepower for any boats used during practice and tournament
hours is 250 HP. How would you enforce this rule? Seriously. How? Can you tell by looking and listening. If a manufacturer cannot tell if a motor is flashed, how can anyone else tell? I don’t know how you can pass a polygraph knowing you are over horsepowersd and breaking a rule. I know I couldn’t.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 12:59 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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So. If a 150 HP motor actually makes 150HP at 5200 rpm’s, and makes around 170 at 6200 rpm’s, from the factory, are you in violation?
When y’all say “no”….I’m gonna ask “why not”, so include your explanation with your answer.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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04/24/24 01:08 PM
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grandbassslayer
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So. If a 150 HP motor actually makes 150HP at 5200 rpm’s, and makes around 170 at 6200 rpm’s, from the factory, are you in violation?
When y’all say “no”….I’m gonna ask “why not”, so include your explanation with your answer. It’s real simple- it hasn’t been altered it’s a factory rating.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 02:08 PM
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Dan21XRS
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Engine mods are not allowed on most tournament trails... Mercury goes after shops that alter their engines with threats of lawsuits... How shops that alter Yamaha's get away with it is a mystery to me... But we all know what the "spirit of the rule" is... No mods... And we all know if a Ranger starts blowing away Bass Cat's, Tritons, Phoenix's and Skeeters the rumors will fly and once he places in the money protest will be filed in accordance with the rules... Dan
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 03:19 PM
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Gungle
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: ssmith]
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04/24/24 03:22 PM
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Dale Gribble
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this is how the rule could be enforced if you have a 19 ft skeeter with a 175 on it an you are out running the 20 ft boats with 250 on them someone could protest you an force you to be polygraphed an you could get caught that way an the insurance deal is a bigger problem if you have an accident where you are over horsepowered an chunck a passenger out or worse their family could be looking to collect all you have an then some. the horsepower limits on boats an tournaments are there to protect fishermen from themselves. This is a good post , besides the fact it is cheating to flash a motor to beyond plate rating and fish a tournament (if in the rules) it could be a huge liability to wreck cause loss of life and have an attorney provide in court that you flashed a pcm to excess H P
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dale Gribble]
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04/24/24 04:37 PM
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tmd11111
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this is how the rule could be enforced if you have a 19 ft skeeter with a 175 on it an you are out running the 20 ft boats with 250 on them someone could protest you an force you to be polygraphed an you could get caught that way an the insurance deal is a bigger problem if you have an accident where you are over horsepowered an chunck a passenger out or worse their family could be looking to collect all you have an then some. the horsepower limits on boats an tournaments are there to protect fishermen from themselves. This is a good post , besides the fact it is cheating to flash a motor to beyond plate rating and fish a tournament (if in the rules) it could be a huge liability to wreck cause loss of life and have an attorney provide in court that you flashed a pcm to excess H P Only hulls under 20' are USCG regulated for HP. If over 20' you can put whatever you want on it. HP rating from manufacturer is just max recommended and worst case won't warranty if exceeded.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 04:53 PM
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HookaToad
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My entire mechanical prowess could fit on the head of a pin. Someone briefly tell me what "flashing" and "Nizpro" mean.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 05:58 PM
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MCIPinkie
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Here's my $0.02.
If you are tournament fishing, you are cheating. You know you're cheating. You just think, probably correctly, that the chances of getting caught are slim or negligible, but you are cheating. You overpowered your boat so you could out run the competition. CHEATING !
You MAY be breaking the law. Some jurisdictions have laws against overpowered boats. Again, very unlikely that you will be caught unless an accident. If you are involved in an accident, particularly if you are at fault, and end up in court, you can bet that the plaintiff's attorney will discover that you are knowingly operating an overpowered boat. Your insurance company will not be happy.
Steez, I assume you notified your insurance carrier that the 150 you are now insuring is actually a 231.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: HookaToad]
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04/24/24 06:08 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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My entire mechanical prowess could fit on the head of a pin. Someone briefly tell me what "flashing" and "Nizpro" mean. flashing is uploading a different software into the engines computer. Nizpro is the company that sells the equipment and software.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: MCIPinkie]
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04/24/24 06:13 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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Here's my $0.02.
If you are tournament fishing, you are cheating. You know you're cheating. You just think, probably correctly, that the chances of getting caught are slim or negligible, but you are cheating. You overpowered your boat so you could out run the competition. CHEATING !
You MAY be breaking the law. Some jurisdictions have laws against overpowered boats. Again, very unlikely that you will be caught unless an accident. If you are involved in an accident, particularly if you are at fault, and end up in court, you can bet that the plaintiff's attorney will discover that you are knowingly operating an overpowered boat. Your insurance company will not be happy.
Steez, I assume you notified your insurance carrier that the 150 you are now insuring is actually a 231. I told them. They are aware of what I have. Like my 700 hp 56 Chevy and my supercharged Tundra. They couldn’t care less. They asked for serial numbers and replacement value. Have you ever bought insurance? You do know how it works, right?
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: tmd11111]
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04/24/24 06:14 PM
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grandbassslayer
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this is how the rule could be enforced if you have a 19 ft skeeter with a 175 on it an you are out running the 20 ft boats with 250 on them someone could protest you an force you to be polygraphed an you could get caught that way an the insurance deal is a bigger problem if you have an accident where you are over horsepowered an chunck a passenger out or worse their family could be looking to collect all you have an then some. the horsepower limits on boats an tournaments are there to protect fishermen from themselves. This is a good post , besides the fact it is cheating to flash a motor to beyond plate rating and fish a tournament (if in the rules) it could be a huge liability to wreck cause loss of life and have an attorney provide in court that you flashed a pcm to excess H P Only hulls under 20' are USCG regulated for HP. If over 20' you can put whatever you want on it. HP rating from manufacturer is just max recommended and worst case won't warranty if exceeded. I’d be more concerned with personal liability in the event of an accident more so than losing a warranty.
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Re: Tournament Rules on Max HP
[Re: Dad2rlkm]
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04/24/24 06:19 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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As for overpowered boats….I had a Taylor SS 18ft boat with a 400HP Olds 455 in it. Insurance agent said “wow, I bet that’s fun!”
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