What's the max HP listed on your boat?

I asked multiple directors about this when I had my 175 fast strike, it put out 225 at the prop after monty racing worked it over.

you can do what you want as long as it was at or below your max. hp. rating from the factory.

no difference between flashing one, nizpro, internal mods. all are legal according to them.


look at your boat rating, my 95 champion 202 says "any V6" for hp rating and I now have a 300 yamaha on back.

But it still has to be under 250 if the event has a rule it has to be under 250…,regardless of hp rating, correct?

I asked multiple directors about this when I had my 175 fast strike, it put out 225 at the prop after monty racing worked it over.

you can do what you want as long as it was at or below your max. hp. rating from the factory.

no difference between flashing one, nizpro, internal mods. all are legal according to them.


look at your boat rating, my 95 champion 202 says "any V6" for hp rating and I now have a 300 yamaha on back.

But it still has to be under 250 if the event has a rule it has to be under 250…,regardless of hp rating, correct?

If your boat is "heavy" it sounds like you might just be spending a lot just to get an extra couple mph out of it. Do you like fishing or boating more? Look at it from that poi t of view then proceed how you feel best.

I asked multiple directors about this when I had my 175 fast strike, it put out 225 at the prop after monty racing worked it over.

you can do what you want as long as it was at or below your max. hp. rating from the factory.

no difference between flashing one, nizpro, internal mods. all are legal according to them.


look at your boat rating, my 95 champion 202 says "any V6" for hp rating and I now have a 300 yamaha on back.

From the Texas Bass Nation North Central Region rules:

"8. BOATS & MOTORS: All boats and motors must meet U.S. Coast Guard and State
regulations. No motor shall exceed the BIA rating for that boat. The maximum
horsepower allowed for any contestant’s boat will be 250 hp. Minimum boat length for
any contestant’s boat is 16 ft. ..."

From the Texas Bass Nation Open Team Trail rules:

5. BOAT, BASIC BOAT EQUIPMENT, MOTOR and SAFETY:
• The maximum outboard engine horsepower for any boats used during practice and tournament
hours is 250 HP.

How would you enforce this rule? Seriously. How? Can you tell by looking and listening. If a manufacturer cannot tell if a motor is flashed, how can anyone else tell?

polygraph....

Changing or altering standard factory parts of a competitor’s engine to increase the
horsepower over the factory horsepower rating, is forbidden and will result in
disqualification.

Bassmasters

MLF does not say anything about altered motors, just that the horsepower may not exceed the CG certification plate horsepower or 250 hp max.
BassChamps says no horsepower limit but it can't be more than the certification plate.

When I first bought my boat FLW would not allow my boat in a tournament if it was over 150 hp. Same with BASS before I bought my boat, since I fished a tournament at Rayburn and a guy from Colorado brought his XB2003 with a 225 Evinrude.
Thats why I took my motor off when I first bought it and put a 150 Opti on it. Ken A called it a trolling motor.

Bassmasters

MLF does not say anything about altered motors, just that the horsepower may not exceed the CG certification plate horsepower or 250 hp max.
BassChamps says no horsepower limit but it can't be more than the certification plate.

When I first bought my boat FLW would not allow my boat in a tournament if it was over 150 hp. Same with BASS before I bought my boat, since I fished a tournament at Rayburn and a guy from Colorado brought his XB2003 with a 225 Evinrude.
Thats why I took my motor off when I first bought it and put a 150 Opti on it. Ken A called it a trolling motor.

How would you enforce this rule? Seriously. How? Can you tell by looking and listening. If a manufacturer cannot tell if a motor is flashed, how can anyone else tell?

If someone is willing to violate one rule then they are willing to violate all the rules. I would never do it to my engine because I'm not a cheater

Yep, rules are rules.

How would you enforce this rule? Seriously. How? Can you tell by looking and listening. If a manufacturer cannot tell if a motor is flashed, how can anyone else tell?

So. If a 150 HP motor actually makes 150HP at 5200 rpm’s, and makes around 170 at 6200 rpm’s, from the factory, are you in violation?

When y’all say “no”….I’m gonna ask “why not”, so include your explanation with your answer.

this is how the rule could be enforced if you have a 19 ft skeeter with a 175 on it an you are out running the 20 ft boats with 250 on them someone could protest you an force you to be polygraphed an you could get caught that way an the insurance deal is a bigger problem if you have an accident where you are over horsepowered an chunck a passenger out or worse their family could be looking to collect all you have an then some. the horsepower limits on boats an tournaments are there to protect fishermen from themselves.

This is a good post , besides the fact it is cheating to flash a motor to beyond plate rating and fish a tournament (if in the rules) it could be a huge liability to wreck cause loss of life and have an attorney provide in court that you flashed a pcm to excess H P

My entire mechanical prowess could fit on the head of a pin. Someone briefly tell me what "flashing" and "Nizpro" mean.

Here's my $0.02.

If you are tournament fishing, you are cheating. You know you're cheating. You just think, probably correctly, that the chances of getting caught are slim or negligible, but you are cheating. You overpowered your boat so you could out run the competition. CHEATING !

You MAY be breaking the law. Some jurisdictions have laws against overpowered boats. Again, very unlikely that you will be caught unless an accident. If you are involved in an accident, particularly if you are at fault, and end up in court, you can bet that the plaintiff's attorney will discover that you are knowingly operating an overpowered boat. Your insurance company will not be happy.

Steez, I assume you notified your insurance carrier that the 150 you are now insuring is actually a 231.

Only hulls under 20' are USCG regulated for HP. If over 20' you can put whatever you want on it. HP rating from manufacturer is just max recommended and worst case won't warranty if exceeded.

I’d be more concerned with personal liability in the event of an accident more so than losing a warranty.

This horsepower thread brings out “mangina’s” faster than the USCG aftermarket navigation lights thread!

well before your next bass tournament be sure and let the TD know you have flashed your motor to beyond the plate rating on your below 20 foot boat , see where that gets you.

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it?

I know the rules for the tournaments I fish. I have the ability to make my boat tournament legal in <5 min. Why would I tell the TD my boat is flashed if it isn’t at the time the tourney practice and competition times are in effect? It would be a non-issue.

Reread what I posted.

lol whatever blowhard , if you can pass a poly that says you "unflashed" it

flashing is uploading a different software into the engines computer. Nizpro is the company that sells the equipment and software.

It’s dumb, a Cobra 201 says unlimited hp, but anything 19’11” will say 225 max.

Read my earlier post. Under 20’ is regulated by USCG. Over 20’ you can do what you want

Does a 14” jack plate get my 18’10”’to the 20 and over Club?

Read my earlier post. Under 20’ is regulated by USCG. Over 20’ you can do what you want

So. If a 150 HP motor actually makes 150HP at 5200 rpm’s, and makes around 170 at 6200 rpm’s, from the factory, are you in violation?

When y’all say “no”….I’m gonna ask “why not”, so include your explanation with your answer.

Does a 14” jack plate get my 18’10”’to the 20 and over Club?

Read my earlier post. Under 20’ is regulated by USCG. Over 20’ you can do what you want

Wasn't there a guy that won an FLW tournament DQ'd because there was no plate on his boat even though boats over 20' don't have to have them?

... Read my earlier post. Under 20’ is regulated by USCG. Over 20’ you can do what you want

If I'm not mistaken it was a Bullet boat that the guy was Dq'ed... My Bullet's have never had a Manufactures Sticker... Bullet doesn't put them on boats they make...



I'd check with the USCG before doing that... The Manufactures' Recommended Rating Plate says 250... I'd bet they'd write you a ticket for being over the recommended HP... And then you'd be at the mercy of the local judge... And if they're like any other judge they'd look at you and the officer, and side with the officer... Dan

If I'm not mistaken it was a Bullet boat that the guy was Dq'ed... My Bullet's have never had a Manufactures Sticker... Bullet doesn't put them on boats they make...



I'd check with the USCG before doing that... The Manufactures' Recommended Rating Plate says 250... I'd bet they'd write you a ticket for being over the recommended HP... And then you'd be at the mercy of the local judge... And if they're like any other judge they'd look at you and the officer, and side with the officer... Dan

I know some have fished major tournaments with modified motors and did not get caught... Anyways this thread proved why you should not even entertain this idea if your fishing HP limited Tournaments with a modified motor.

It’s dumb, a Cobra 201 says unlimited hp, but anything 19’11” will say 225 max.

I know some have fished major tournaments with modified motors and did not get caught... Anyways this thread proved why you should not even entertain this idea if your fishing HP limited Tournaments with a modified motor.

I had a Cobra 190D 18’8” that was rated for 200. It was rigged with a Johnson 200 Limited Edition which was supposed to be a little over the actual 200. Had the prop built by Rich Boger and that little boat would get up and move.

Another thing you may need to consider is you boat insurance as well. Before I did it I'd talk to my agent for sure. If the motor has a Nizpro mod of any kind and it can be proven and you are in an accident on the water they might not pay. That wouldn't be good........

I actually bought and paid in full for a 2023 SHO200…and used that boat and the Nitro Z7 as my reasoning. They sold it to me….I want even half way home from dropping off the boat to get it installed and they said “we can’t put this thing on your boat…we are a certified Yamaha dealer. We will sell you a 175 and you can flash it.” Then they couldn’t find a 175 anywhere on the list of dealers they partnered with, so a 150 and a flash kit became the plan.

I’ve only ever filed one boat claim, I got rear ended on the interestate as I was going about 10 in stalled traffic, a drunk women smoked me going about 80. Totaled my boat.

You might have a hard time getting your money back on the cost to flash, but insurance isn’t going to know anything about that. They don’t know anything about boats, I removed all my electronics and a few other things, and that didn’t affect what I received in the claim at all.

The drunk had progressive, they had no clue about anything to do with boats.

Crazy women asked me if it was okay if she hid her beer in the ditch before the cops came.

What were you putting it on? There weren’t many under 19 footers rated for 200 back in the day from what I remember. Here was my old rig.

all they say is max. rated hp on your cg plate, my 175 was on a champion 184 which was rated for 175 hp, technically I was 50 hp over but the engine was originally a 175 which matched the rating.

when you get in the big league then you have a max. hp no matter what your boat says, trails and jackpots, big bass etc. all just go with cg plate rating.