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Cowboys will Draft who? #15056242 04/25/24 02:06 PM
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I think they need offensive and defensive linemen.
I would not pass up on Brock Bowers though if he falls to them - I think he is the next great Hall of Fame Tight End.
Supposedly it's a deep draft in OL, wouldn't surprise me if they trade back though to pick up some more help.

But heck I thought Mazi Smith was a great pick last year.

Let's hear all you genius's thoughts now so we can crown you in 4 to 5 years.

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Rd 1- OT
Rd 2 & 3- LB / C
Rd 4 - DT
Rd 5 - Off the radar player
Rd 6 - Pick swap

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They will do what Jerry tells them, and more than likely take a player in the 1st round that they could of got in the 3rd. Round.

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Originally Posted by outdoor-addict
Rd 1- OT
Rd 2 & 3- LB / C
Rd 4 - DT
Rd 5 - Off the radar player
Rd 6 - Pick swap

They don't have a 4th

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They will do what Jerry tells them, and more than likely take a player in the 1st round that they could of got in the 3rd. Round.

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It doesn't matter what the needs are Jerry will s--- the bed and waste the picks.

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I bet early OL then DL then best player available

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No one, they trade out of the 1st most likely

If I had to pick a person then I’d say Barton

But I say they extend one of the players today and have that be the news and presser tomorrow

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Originally Posted by 2014NITROZ-7
It doesn't matter what the needs are Jerry will s--- the bed and waste the picks.



Get a life.

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Doesn't matter - Jerry isn't trying to win super bowls. He's trying to sell tickets and merch

This is the first draft I can remember where you don't have to pay for a top 2 or 3 pick to get someone with potential to be an elite QB. Would make a ton of sense IMHO to trade up to middle of the first round to grab one, but I expect Jerry to probably go OL.


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He doesn't need to win Super Bowls, does he?

However, Roger, Danny and Q. Carr are available.


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I’d take a center and OL with the first two picks but I’d guess they take a running back with the first pick.


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Just a reminder that the Cowboys drafted the second best QB in football in the 4th round

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Probably a center because its a waste of a 1st round pick...and that's what Jerry likes to do.

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Originally Posted by YEE_YEE
Just a reminder that the Cowboys drafted the second best QB in football in the 4th round

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Not sure he's even the second best QB on the team.

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Jerry will give all his pics away, doesn't need them, their all in this year with what they have. bang

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They need O-Lineman so I predict Jerry will take the shooting GUARD out of Iowa, Caitlyn Clark. She's a guard by gawd.


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I don't have a clue who they will pick but I do know this, if it ends up being a great pick then it was Will McClays pick ( who probably talked it over with Jimmy Johnson first ), if it ends up a bad pick then it was Jerry's pick.


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I really think it will be OU"s OT Tyler Guyton from Manor, Texas. The kid has a great story, didn't even play football until his Sr. year at Manor playing DT. Recruited by TCU as a 3star D lineman. TCU converted him to the OL but Patterson resigned and he entered the portal to be picked up by OU. He only has 15 starts in his career playing OT. But I think Bill Bedenbaugh (OU's O line coach) is one of the best 3 OL coaches in the business. He said Tyler Guyton is still a little raw but he will be the best Pro OLineman he's ever coached. I think this will be Tyron Smith's replacement at LT.


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Originally Posted by patriot07
Doesn't matter - Jerry isn't trying to win super bowls. He's trying to sell tickets and merch

This is the first draft I can remember where you don't have to pay for a top 2 or 3 pick to get someone with potential to be an elite QB. Would make a ton of sense IMHO to trade up to middle of the first round to grab one, but I expect Jerry to probably go OL.



What good is it to have an elite Qb with basically zero OL?

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Offensive lineman like they always do.

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I have no idea who they will draft in the 1st round.. Odds are and going by past history they will pick someone in drug rehab or that has a career threatening injury in the 2nd.

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Originally Posted by patriot07
Doesn't matter - Jerry isn't trying to win super bowls. He's trying to sell tickets and merch

This is the first draft I can remember where you don't have to pay for a top 2 or 3 pick to get someone with potential to be an elite QB. Would make a ton of sense IMHO to trade up to middle of the first round to grab one, but I expect Jerry to probably go OL.

What could Jerry trade to move up in the draft? His #1 and #2 pick, in order to get a QB, then what can he get with a #3,5 and 7 pick? I guess he could put Dak at center or tackle....


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Whoever the Cowboys draft with their first pick will end up a Super Bowl champion after this season

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Probably a center because its a waste of a 1st round pick...and that's what Jerry likes to do.

Travis Frederick was a hell of a pick 10years ago


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Originally Posted by patriot07
Doesn't matter - Jerry isn't trying to win super bowls. He's trying to sell tickets and merch

This is the first draft I can remember where you don't have to pay for a top 2 or 3 pick to get someone with potential to be an elite QB. Would make a ton of sense IMHO to trade up to middle of the first round to grab one, but I expect Jerry to probably go OL.



What good is it to have an elite Qb with basically zero OL?

It takes longer to develop an elite QB than an elite OL. Start with the long pole in the schedule.


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Doesn't matter - Jerry isn't trying to win super bowls. He's trying to sell tickets and merch

This is the first draft I can remember where you don't have to pay for a top 2 or 3 pick to get someone with potential to be an elite QB. Would make a ton of sense IMHO to trade up to middle of the first round to grab one, but I expect Jerry to probably go OL.

What could Jerry trade to move up in the draft? His #1 and #2 pick, in order to get a QB, then what can he get with a #3,5 and 7 pick? I guess he could put Dak at center or tackle....

Trade Dak and your 1st round pick to NE for the #3 pick. Or trade Dak and your 2nd round pick for Oakland #13 pick.


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Originally Posted by patriot07
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Doesn't matter - Jerry isn't trying to win super bowls. He's trying to sell tickets and merch

This is the first draft I can remember where you don't have to pay for a top 2 or 3 pick to get someone with potential to be an elite QB. Would make a ton of sense IMHO to trade up to middle of the first round to grab one, but I expect Jerry to probably go OL.



What good is it to have an elite Qb with basically zero OL?

It takes longer to develop an elite QB than an elite OL. Start with the long pole in the schedule.



We did that with Aikman and it ended up good but also it probably took a couple years off of his career.

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No need to draft a RB looks like Zeke is coming home . Now JJ can focus on an elite QB. patriot07 who is the most Elite QB JJ can get ?

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Originally Posted by YEE_YEE
No need to draft a RB looks like Zeke is coming home . Now JJ can focus on an elite QB. patriot07 who is the most Elite QB JJ can get ?

I like whoever goes to a team with surrounding players. If you take Brady and Mahomes out of the equation, most of the rest of the QBs come out and do well if they go to a talented team and do poorly if they go to a carp team.

If you can get Penix later, I like him better than a couple of higher ranked QBs. I think Williams, Daniels, and Penix would be my preferred options. I like McCarthy, Maye, and Nix, but not sure I'd spend a high first round pick on them.


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It doesn't matter what the needs are Jerry will s--- the bed and waste the picks.



Get a life.

Guess the truth hurts. Sorry you are butt hurt.

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If you can get Penix later, I like him better than a couple of higher ranked QBs. I think Williams, Daniels, and Penix would be my preferred options. I like McCarthy, Maye, and Nix, but not sure I'd spend a high first round pick on them.



I can see Penix as another RGIII, bad wheel and all.

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If you can get Penix later, I like him better than a couple of higher ranked QBs. I think Williams, Daniels, and Penix would be my preferred options. I like McCarthy, Maye, and Nix, but not sure I'd spend a high first round pick on them.



I can see Penix as another RGIII, bad wheel and all.

RG3 went to a carp team. He could have been good on a good team.


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Whoever the Cowboys draft with their first pick will end up a Super Bowl champion after this season


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They have 15 players with 1st round grades, with the 24th pick, the cowboys trade down

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If you can get Penix later, I like him better than a couple of higher ranked QBs. I think Williams, Daniels, and Penix would be my preferred options. I like McCarthy, Maye, and Nix, but not sure I'd spend a high first round pick on them.



I can see Penix as another RGIII, bad wheel and all.

RG3 went to a carp team. He could have been good on a good team.

All it takes is an Elite OL to make an average QB look good.


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No need to draft a RB looks like Zeke is coming home . Now JJ can focus on an elite QB. patriot07 who is the most Elite QB JJ can get ?

I like whoever goes to a team with surrounding players. If you take Brady and Mahomes out of the equation, most of the rest of the QBs come out and do well if they go to a talented team and do poorly if they go to a carp team.

If you can get Penix later, I like him better than a couple of higher ranked QBs. I think Williams, Daniels, and Penix would be my preferred options. I like McCarthy, Maye, and Nix, but not sure I'd spend a high first round pick on them.

They sux

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No need to draft a RB looks like Zeke is coming home . Now JJ can focus on an elite QB. patriot07 who is the most Elite QB JJ can get ?

I like whoever goes to a team with surrounding players. If you take Brady and Mahomes out of the equation, most of the rest of the QBs come out and do well if they go to a talented team and do poorly if they go to a carp team.

If you can get Penix later, I like him better than a couple of higher ranked QBs. I think Williams, Daniels, and Penix would be my preferred options. I like McCarthy, Maye, and Nix, but not sure I'd spend a high first round pick on them.

They sux

I'm thinking zeke will guarantee a super bowl. Give him a 5 million dollar bonus if they win the super bowl this year. Would you pm where you buy your weed,? It's definitely better than what I can get.

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No need to draft a RB looks like Zeke is coming home . Now JJ can focus on an elite QB. patriot07 who is the most Elite QB JJ can get ?


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Graham Barton or Tyler Guyton

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There was no way to get him but I think that WR Rome Odunze is gonna be an absolute beast as a pro. Seems like a good kid too.

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We dodged a bullet .Vikings drafted McCarthy from Michigan. Was afraid Jerry would pick him.

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?

hmmm

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?

hmmm


It's a very good question, 5 of the first 6 were obviously quintuplets

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There was no way to get him but I think that WR Rome Odunze is gonna be an absolute beast as a pro. Seems like a good kid too.


He is an elite talent.

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?

hmmm


It's a very good question, 5 of the first 6 were obviously quintuplets

I had my sound muted. They seemed like the same player to me.

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?


This comment sounds somewhat racist. JS…

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?


This comment sounds somewhat racist. JS…

I’m the least racist person you know and love.

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Did the Cardinals take the same guy as the Commanders?

hmmm


It's a very good question, 5 of the first 6 were obviously quintuplets

I had my sound muted. They seemed like the same player to me.


Were they both Asian?

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You guys have to excuse BCBassCat. He’s from Mississippi…playing the race card is a sport there.

(*cue the “I’m not from Mississippi, I just lived there for….etc. bs)

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You guys have to excuse BCBassCat. He’s from Mississippi…playing the race card is a sport there.

(*cue the “I’m not from Mississippi, I just lived there for….etc. bs)

roflmao

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You guys have to excuse BCBassCat. He’s from Mississippi…playing the race card is a sport there.

(*cue the “I’m not from Mississippi, I just lived there for….etc. bs)

Well I hope nobody misspelled something. You know its much worse than racism.

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You guys have to excuse BCBassCat. He’s from Mississippi…playing the race card is a sport there.

(*cue the “I’m not from Mississippi, I just lived there for….etc. bs)

Well I hope nobody misspelled something. You know its much worse than racism.

Dude, grow up and get over it. Call your Mommy if you need to. bang

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You guys have to excuse BCBassCat. He’s from Mississippi…playing the race card is a sport there.

(*cue the “I’m not from Mississippi, I just lived there for….etc. bs)

Well I hope nobody misspelled something. You know its much worse than racism.


Are you throat punching mofos for this beef?

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You guys have to excuse BCBassCat. He’s from Mississippi…playing the race card is a sport there.

(*cue the “I’m not from Mississippi, I just lived there for….etc. bs)

Well I hope nobody misspelled something. You know its much worse than racism.


Are you throat punching mofos for this beef?

roflmao

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Not up on this new terminology. What is an edge? DE/Outside LB hybrid like Micah?


I think Micah played ILB at Penn State. Edge just means last guy on the outside of the line.


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Not up on this new terminology. What is an edge? DE/Outside LB hybrid like Micah?


That’s exactly what it is Stump. Rushes from outside the tackle but will occasionally drop into coverage.


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They have 15 players with 1st round grades, with the 24th pick, the cowboys trade down


Very insightful post, thanks for sharing

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We are in complete rebuild mode. Need OLs, WRs, RB, LBs, DLs, QB. Guyton is a fine pick. If it weren’t for years of awful contracts like Dak and Zeke, we could have re-signed Armstrong and Biadasz and drafted sooner and be a lot closer to being competitive.

Will be interesting to see if Trey Lance gets any playing time this year if Dak isn’t extended.


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We are in complete rebuild mode. Need OLs, WRs, RB, LBs, DLs, QB. Guyton is a fine pick. If it weren’t for years of awful contracts like Dak and Zeke, we could have re-signed Armstrong and Biadasz and drafted sooner and be a lot closer to being competitive.

Will be interesting to see if Trey Lance gets any playing time this year if Dak isn’t extended.


Come on man, they got a great player who many predicted they would get plus a third round pick, they done well, now hopefully they get three studs tomorrow. Paying Armstrong and Biadasz that much money would have been dumber than a fence post. Get off the bad contracts, all teams have them.


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We are in complete rebuild mode. Need OLs, WRs, RB, LBs, DLs, QB. Guyton is a fine pick. If it weren’t for years of awful contracts like Dak and Zeke, we could have re-signed Armstrong and Biadasz and drafted sooner and be a lot closer to being competitive.

Will be interesting to see if Trey Lance gets any playing time this year if Dak isn’t extended.


Come on man, they got a great player who many predicted they would get plus a third round pick, they done well, now hopefully they get three studs tomorrow. Paying Armstrong and Biadasz that much money would have been dumber than a fence post. Get off the bad contracts, all teams have them.


You’re talking to a wall HK.


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Great move by the Cowboys and JJ that's why he has so so many haters the man is brilliant...

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Originally Posted by patriot07
We are in complete rebuild mode. Need OLs, WRs, RB, LBs, DLs, QB. Guyton is a fine pick. If it weren’t for years of awful contracts like Dak and Zeke, we could have re-signed Armstrong and Biadasz and drafted sooner and be a lot closer to being competitive.

Will be interesting to see if Trey Lance gets any playing time this year if Dak isn’t extended.


Come on man, they got a great player who many predicted they would get plus a third round pick, they done well, now hopefully they get three studs tomorrow. Paying Armstrong and Biadasz that much money would have been dumber than a fence post. Get off the bad contracts, all teams have them.


You’re talking to a wall HK.


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And don't forget we have the greatest TE coming up in Ferguson...

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Originally Posted by Westside.
They have 15 players with 1st round grades, with the 24th pick, the cowboys trade down


Very insightful post, thanks for sharing

Agreed! Westside knows his American football! You should experience him calling a game…every bit as good as the late Pat Summerall IMO.

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They did Guyton dirty by posting this meme worthy picture.... roflmao


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They did Guyton dirty by posting this meme worthy picture.... roflmao


https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ackle-tyler-guyton-29th-pick-first-round

Why ?

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They did Guyton dirty by posting this meme worthy picture.... roflmao


https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ackle-tyler-guyton-29th-pick-first-round

Why ?

Maybe because he looks like Donkey off of Shrek, only fatter?
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They did Guyton dirty by posting this meme worthy picture.... roflmao


https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ackle-tyler-guyton-29th-pick-first-round

Why ?




He looks half asleep

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I'm happy with Guyton. Should be good long term.


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I'm happy with Guyton. Should be good long term.


I bet the Cowboys are happy they made you happy, could you help them with his contract so they do not over pay him, last thing we need is another Zeke or Dak contract keeping us from winning a SB. thumb


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Decent pickup for the Cowboys but very nice they were able to pic up a 3rd rd pick as well. The Cowboys draft picks volume wise is pretty sad.

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Rd 1- OT
Rd 2 & 3- LB / C
Rd 4 - DT
Rd 5 - Off the radar player
Rd 6 - Pick swap

They don't have a 4th


The trade down basically fixes that.

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Rd 1- OT
Rd 2 & 3- LB / C
Rd 4 - DT
Rd 5 - Off the radar player
Rd 6 - Pick swap

They don't have a 4th


The trade down basically fixes that.

Actually upgraded it.


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They picked the 8th Tackle in the draft. They could have had the first LB or the first Center. Doesn't sound like a smart move to me.

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I really think it will be OU"s OT Tyler Guyton from Manor, Texas. The kid has a great story, didn't even play football until his Sr. year at Manor playing DT. Recruited by TCU as a 3star D lineman. TCU converted him to the OL but Patterson resigned and he entered the portal to be picked up by OU. He only has 15 starts in his career playing OT. But I think Bill Bedenbaugh (OU's O line coach) is one of the best 3 OL coaches in the business. He said Tyler Guyton is still a little raw but he will be the best Pro OLineman he's ever coached. I think this will be Tyron Smith's replacement at LT.


Good call coach...my pick as well.... he's an athlete for sure...and huge


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In pass pro, Guyton’s footwork allows him to consistently square up opposing pass rushers. Will rarely have to reset feet to adjust to opposing pass-rush plans. Active hands to win first and touts the necessary grip strength to stop opposing defenders in an instant. Once hands are latched, the rep is usually over. Showcases an outstanding base and anchoring vs power is an easy operation. Rarely caught retracing steps to locate stunts.

As a run blocker, Guyton fires off the line of scrimmage and is quick to out-leverage defenders. Easy displacement ability with power that stems from a strong lower half. Would like to see an increased usage of length, however, to consistently move bodies away from alleys. Will at times attack a block with body weight instead of technique and power.


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And got a high 3rd round pick out of it....they're good at this part...

Now, I would have tried to trade Parsons....trading Parsons would solve virtually every hurdle they are facing. Draft picks to do anything they want, money to make Lamb happy....could pick best OT, best WR, best RB, probably have 3rd and 5th round extra picks to get quality LB, more O line depth...it would just be easy....Dak plays the season...if he catches lightning in a bottle, cool....if not, Trey Lance is sitting there to take over a LOADED team


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They picked the 8th Tackle in the draft. They could have had the first LB or the first Center. Doesn't sound like a smart move to me.


Could woulda shoulda, how do you know where they had the tackle ranked ? Most in the football world feel like they got an A on that deal.


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And got a high 3rd round pick out of it....they're good at this part...

Now, I would have tried to trade Parsons....trading Parsons would solve virtually every hurdle they are facing. Draft picks to do anything they want, money to make Lamb happy....could pick best OT, best WR, best RB, probably have 3rd and 5th round extra picks to get quality LB, more O line depth...it would just be easy....Dak plays the season...if he catches lightning in a bottle, cool....if not, Trey Lance is sitting there to take over a LOADED team


Get off the idea of trading Parsons, that would be a huge mistake, pass rushers like him do not come along very often.


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They are not going to now man....but 2 #1's, a #3, a #5 and a starting RB would not be a crazy ask.... you can rebuild everything with that kind of trade....and I don't care what he does, it's not worth 30 million a year...nope


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I would consider Trey Lance as trade bait

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I would consider Trey Lance as trade bait


I hear ya..... but I really think they think they've got something with Lance...

I'm happy with the trade and draft Guyton + a 3rd.....

Very interested to see what they do from here..... plus last year's class didn't perform all that well, hopefully they'll show something in year 2.... if they hit on 2 or 3 this year and last year's crew matures into something, and Lance turns into the qb San Fran thought he was.... man, this could be a simple transition.... but that's a lotta' frigging "if's"....I do think that pretty much summarizes the JJ "plan"...


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They are not going to now man....but 2 #1's, a #3, a #5 and a starting RB would not be a crazy ask.... you can rebuild everything with that kind of trade....and I don't care what he does, it's not worth 30 million a year...nope


Only way i am trading Parsons is for a chance at drafting a franchise QB, and that would be a big gamble because everyone knows that the number 1 pick always hits.


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I like to think the Cowboys war room knows more than the TFF and I. I'm not a band wagon jumper jumping to the Texans f the Texans if anything Jerry going to balance the check book and get Shanndoah Sanders next year and trade Lance this tomorrow for some picks.

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I like to think the Cowboys war room knows more than the TFF and I. I'm not a band wagon jumper jumping to the Texans f the Texans if anything Jerry going to balance the check book and get Shanndoah Sanders next year and trade Lance this tomorrow for some picks.

His name is Shardinkus.

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And got a high 3rd round pick out of it....they're good at this part...

Now, I would have tried to trade Parsons....trading Parsons would solve virtually every hurdle they are facing. Draft picks to do anything they want, money to make Lamb happy....could pick best OT, best WR, best RB, probably have 3rd and 5th round extra picks to get quality LB, more O line depth...it would just be easy....Dak plays the season...if he catches lightning in a bottle, cool....if not, Trey Lance is sitting there to take over a LOADED team


Get off the idea of trading Parsons, that would be a huge mistake, pass rushers like him do not come along very often.


You mean the kind that get 1 sack in 4 playoff games? Dallas should have at least found out what trading Parsons would fetch. Instead they are facing paying three players at or near the highest paid at their positions.....to be bounced in wild card games at home. Parsons, Dak and Lamb will eat up so much of the cap that there won't be much left to help them. And Dak needs all the help he can get.

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And got a high 3rd round pick out of it....they're good at this part...

Now, I would have tried to trade Parsons....trading Parsons would solve virtually every hurdle they are facing. Draft picks to do anything they want, money to make Lamb happy....could pick best OT, best WR, best RB, probably have 3rd and 5th round extra picks to get quality LB, more O line depth...it would just be easy....Dak plays the season...if he catches lightning in a bottle, cool....if not, Trey Lance is sitting there to take over a LOADED team


Get off the idea of trading Parsons, that would be a huge mistake, pass rushers like him do not come along very often.


You mean the kind that get 1 sack in 4 playoff games? Dallas should have at least found out what trading Parsons would fetch. Instead they are facing paying three players at or near the highest paid at their positions.....to be bounced in wild card games at home. Parsons, Dak and Lamb will eat up so much of the cap that there won't be much left to help them. And Dak needs all the help he can get.


Yes Dak needs lots of help, defense being maybe the biggest, this has been said many times, Dak has to have a great running game and a great defense to win a SB, trading away the top 1 or 2 defensive player in the NFL for unknown commodities makes no sense to me. Parsons has not had a really good game in the play offs, I would imagine he was being accounted for by two and maybe three blockers a lot of the time, you would think the other Dallas defenders would step up in these situations, they cannot all be double teamed. I would give Parsons, Dak and an entire draft class to the Chiefs for Mahomes, think they will bite ?


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And got a high 3rd round pick out of it....they're good at this part...

Now, I would have tried to trade Parsons....trading Parsons would solve virtually every hurdle they are facing. Draft picks to do anything they want, money to make Lamb happy....could pick best OT, best WR, best RB, probably have 3rd and 5th round extra picks to get quality LB, more O line depth...it would just be easy....Dak plays the season...if he catches lightning in a bottle, cool....if not, Trey Lance is sitting there to take over a LOADED team


Get off the idea of trading Parsons, that would be a huge mistake, pass rushers like him do not come along very often.


I was really proud of Parsons leadership on the defensive side of the ball against green Bay when the packers scored over, and over, again and again and again...... he really brought it.

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And got a high 3rd round pick out of it....they're good at this part...

Now, I would have tried to trade Parsons....trading Parsons would solve virtually every hurdle they are facing. Draft picks to do anything they want, money to make Lamb happy....could pick best OT, best WR, best RB, probably have 3rd and 5th round extra picks to get quality LB, more O line depth...it would just be easy....Dak plays the season...if he catches lightning in a bottle, cool....if not, Trey Lance is sitting there to take over a LOADED team


Get off the idea of trading Parsons, that would be a huge mistake, pass rushers like him do not come along very often.


I was really proud of Parsons leadership on the defensive side of the ball against green Bay when the packers scored over, and over, again and again and again...... he really brought it.


Yes me too, I forgot he was on the field by himself. They kind of reminded me of the Texas A & M teams of the past 85 years , well maybe not so much, Cowboys have 5 Championships in 64 years, remind me of how many the Aggies have won in the past 85 years or so lol.


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for everyone wanting to trade parson for a high draft picks like the HW deal did for JJ. I think you are forgetting one thing he hasn't played that well lately to get those picks. They’re may be reasons but the fact is big time players find a way to rise to the top. I bet a number one and maybe a 3 and 4 maybe all that is offered. I think his upside if he can get back to the top is worth more than a few picks right now on the gamble.

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for everyone wanting to trade parson for a high draft picks like the HW deal did for JJ. I think you are forgetting one thing he hasn't played that well lately to get those picks. They’re may be reasons but the fact is big time players find a way to rise to the top. I bet a number one and maybe a 3 and 4 maybe all that is offered. I think his upside if he can get back to the top is worth more than a few picks right now on the gamble.

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for everyone wanting to trade parson for a high draft picks like the HW deal did for JJ. I think you are forgetting one thing he hasn't played that well lately to get those picks. They’re may be reasons but the fact is big time players find a way to rise to the top. I bet a number one and maybe a 3 and 4 maybe all that is offered. I think his upside if he can get back to the top is worth more than a few picks right now on the gamble.

LOL roflmao


if you can get a couple OL and a running back and keep the rest on offense. What would it take to trade Parson if they get to paying well. Two number one's and who would give that.

Just my .02

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Everything will be just fine; just a quick rebuilding year is all.

I thought Jerry Jones was all in this year Super Bowl or bust???

looking more like bust

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for everyone wanting to trade parson for a high draft picks like the HW deal did for JJ. I think you are forgetting one thing he hasn't played that well lately to get those picks. They’re may be reasons but the fact is big time players find a way to rise to the top. I bet a number one and maybe a 3 and 4 maybe all that is offered. I think his upside if he can get back to the top is worth more than a few picks right now on the gamble.

LOL roflmao


if you can get a couple OL and a running back and keep the rest on offense. What would it take to trade Parson if they get to paying well. Two number one's and who would give that.

Just my .02


They will not trade him but if they would consider it I could see two number 1's and a couple of 2's or 3's. Parsons is a linebacker and an edge rusher, not too many of those guys around, especially ones that are in the defensive mvp running the first three years of his young career. I could be wrong but I think the Cowboy defense is going to be quite a bit better than what it was last year ( which was pretty good ) except for the play off game, if they get another guy that can rush the passer ( I think they did ) its going to be hell on opposing QB's.


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Everything will be just fine; just a quick rebuilding year is all.

I thought Jerry Jones was all in this year Super Bowl or bust???

looking more like bust


When he said “all in” he was trying to communicate that his Depends were full.


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for everyone wanting to trade parson for a high draft picks like the HW deal did for JJ. I think you are forgetting one thing he hasn't played that well lately to get those picks. They’re may be reasons but the fact is big time players find a way to rise to the top. I bet a number one and maybe a 3 and 4 maybe all that is offered. I think his upside if he can get back to the top is worth more than a few picks right now on the gamble.

LOL roflmao


if you can get a couple OL and a running back and keep the rest on offense. What would it take to trade Parson if they get to paying well. Two number one's and who would give that.

Just my .02


They will not trade him but if they would consider it I could see two number 1's and a couple of 2's or 3's. Parsons is a linebacker and an edge rusher, not too many of those guys around, especially ones that are in the defensive mvp running the first three years of his young career. I could be wrong but I think the Cowboy defense is going to be quite a bit better than what it was last year ( which was pretty good ) except for the play off game, if they get another guy that can rush the passer ( I think they did ) its going to be hell on opposing QB's.



I agree that is what I was trying to say I just don't believe anyone will give them that

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So are they not taking a RB .......

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So are they not taking a RB .......


Guess not, would have bet a you a catfish basket to a cheeseburger basket they would have some how got one in the fourth round, there will be backs available around training camp and early pre season not to mention a trade, they did get a corner that some had as a third rounder in the 5th and a receiver that could be a lot like Gallup in his prime in the 6th.


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So are they not taking a RB .......


Guess not, would have bet a you a catfish basket to a cheeseburger basket they would have some how got one in the fourth round, there will be backs available around training camp and early pre season not to mention a trade, they did get a corner that some had as a third rounder in the 5th and a receiver that could be a lot like Gallup in his prime in the 6th.


It's amazing how the shine is off the RB position in the NFL. I guess undrafted free agents is where a bunch are gonna end up

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They had a great draft IF they all play like they've shown and stay healthy....hell of a draft...but I do not agree with not drafting a RB with up side....I know Zeke is coming home with a point to prove, but it's damn risky


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They had a great draft IF they all play like they've shown and stay healthy....hell of a draft...but I do not agree with not drafting a RB with up side....I know Zeke is coming home with a point to prove, but it's damn risky


looks like they stuck to their draft board and did not reach for a player, I am sure they tried to move up to get a runner but the price was too high, they will find one, or if they block really good the stable of backs they have could get it done.


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Yeah but, they can't carry a "stable" on the roster...3 RB's and the FB

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They addressed some glaring needs. The o line being a big one. Not drafting a center was strange. But I read an article on Beebee saying he could possibly transition to center. Guyton is a damn mountain. I saw they drafted a 2nd tackle. I haven't looked into him yet.
They also couldn't stop the run. They seemed to have tried to address that.
Two picks were head scratchers for me. The CB and WR. They don't really need either. There were still a couple running backs and centers on the board.That were worth late round picks.
But it all starts in the trenches. They focused on that. So I give them a B+. Time will tell.

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I don't have much of an opinion on any of the guys they drafted since I had not heard of any of them prior. Not gonna get on here and pretend I had a draft notebook with prospects graded etc... grin

The draft grades are hilariously all over the place both locally and nationally. Anywhere from A- to a D-......one point I read was good in that they are getting gigged for not drafting a RB but their first 3 picks seem universallly applauded as good pick but not taking a RB is why some disliked their draft.. Is a 5th thru 7th round RB really gonna be a difference maker that turns the running game around? Yet that is pretty well the only reason they are getting dinged on their draft.


I hope they all turn out to be good players and have good careers though. cheers

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I don't have much of an opinion on any of the guys they drafted since I had not heard of any of them prior. Not gonna get on Herr and pretendcI had a draft notebook with prospects graded etc... grin

The draft grades are hilariously all over the place both locally and nationally. Anywhere from A- to a D-......one point I read was good in that they are getting gigged for not drafting a RB but their first 3 picks seem universallly applauded as good pick. Is a 5th thru 7th round RB really gonna ve a difference maker that turns the running game around?


I hope they all turn out to be good players and have good careers though. roflmao


According to many, running backs are a dime a dozen, you can get one anywhere anytime, never pay a back big money yada yada yada, now those same people are grilling the Cowboys for not reaching for a back in place of just taking the best player lol, they will be able to get a good back by the time the season rolls around if they feel like they ned one.


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I don't have much of an opinion on any of the guys they drafted since I had not heard of any of them prior. Not gonna get on Herr and pretendcI had a draft notebook with prospects graded etc... grin

The draft grades are hilariously all over the place both locally and nationally. Anywhere from A- to a D-......one point I read was good in that they are getting gigged for not drafting a RB but their first 3 picks seem universallly applauded as good pick. Is a 5th thru 7th round RB really gonna ve a difference maker that turns the running game around?


I hope they all turn out to be good players and have good careers though. roflmao


According to many, running backs are a dime a dozen, you can get one anywhere anytime, never pay a back big money yada yada yada, now those same people are grilling the Cowboys for not reaching for a back in place of just taking the best player lol, they will be able to get a good back by the time the season rolls around if they feel like they ned one.



they are not a dime a dozen but teams don't depend on the position like in years past. Today they are more short yardage and blockers. They are a lot like the old fullback. They would all love to have a ES,AP,JB, or BS but those guys are once in a lifetime. The Patriots and Chiefs didn't depend on RB as much as short yardage passes.
Chiefs or Patriots neither have had a number one RB, heck neither really had a top receiver. The tight end seems to be a bigger position anymore for both. I think Dax needs a good Running Back for blocking protection and short yardage throws. I think it would help spread the defense out for him. They will win because of his receivers and defense. IMHO the cowboys need a Marshal Fault or someone like hIM

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Of course the difference is the Chiefs and Pats having Mahomes and Brady. Not to mention arguably the two best coaches of this era.

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Of course the difference is the Chiefs and Pats having Mahomes and Brady. Not to mention arguably the two best coaches of this era.



I'm not taking anything away from either of those QBs but this past year the Chiefs also had a top ranked defense and many of the Patriot years tgey had top ranked defenses.

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Of course the difference is the Chiefs and Pats having Mahomes and Brady. Not to mention arguably the two best coaches of this era.



I'm not taking anything away from either of those QBs but this past year the Chiefs also had a top ranked defense and many of the Patriot years tgey had top ranked defenses.


AND Patriots had a defensive minded coach that may be the best at halftime game plan changes to stop other team in second half. He always had the game where TB can be close enough to make a last minute drive for the win. TB is one of if not the absolute best at not succumbing to pressure. He seem to always make the pass or decisions on last drive.

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I just took a look at the Pats defensive numbers for the SB years 2017 and 2019. They aren't good.

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I just took a look at the Pats defensive numbers for the SB years 2017 and 2019. They aren't good.




What are the defensive numbers fir all of their good seasons?

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Of course the difference is the Chiefs and Pats having Mahomes and Brady. Not to mention arguably the two best coaches of this era.



I'm not taking anything away from either of those QBs but this past year the Chiefs also had a top ranked defense and many of the Patriot years tgey had top ranked defenses.


AND Patriots had a defensive minded coach that may be the best at halftime game plan changes to stop other team in second half. He always had the game where TB can be close enough to make a last minute drive for the win. TB is one of if not the absolute best at not succumbing to pressure. He seem to always make the pass or decisions on last drive.



I've heard many head coaches and players say there is no such thing as halftime adjustments. If yiuvwait till halftime then you will lose. They all say the players use tge bathroom, get a snack and might see their position coaches for a minute or two. They say there is no big speech or revised game plans being given.

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Of course the difference is the Chiefs and Pats having Mahomes and Brady. Not to mention arguably the two best coaches of this era.



I'm not taking anything away from either of those QBs but this past year the Chiefs also had a top ranked defense and many of the Patriot years tgey had top ranked defenses.


AND Patriots had a defensive minded coach that may be the best at halftime game plan changes to stop other team in second half. He always had the game where TB can be close enough to make a last minute drive for the win. TB is one of if not the absolute best at not succumbing to pressure. He seem to always make the pass or decisions on last drive.



I've heard many head coaches and players say there is no such thing as halftime adjustments. If yiuvwait till halftime then you will lose. They all say the players use tge bathroom, get a snack and might see their position coaches for a minute or two. They say there is no big speech or revised game plans being given.


not sure I agree with this I have seen games for years were the second half playing change the outcome

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Of course the difference is the Chiefs and Pats having Mahomes and Brady. Not to mention arguably the two best coaches of this era.



I'm not taking anything away from either of those QBs but this past year the Chiefs also had a top ranked defense and many of the Patriot years tgey had top ranked defenses.


AND Patriots had a defensive minded coach that may be the best at halftime game plan changes to stop other team in second half. He always had the game where TB can be close enough to make a last minute drive for the win. TB is one of if not the absolute best at not succumbing to pressure. He seem to always make the pass or decisions on last drive.



I've heard many head coaches and players say there is no such thing as halftime adjustments. If yiuvwait till halftime then you will lose. They all say the players use tge bathroom, get a snack and might see their position coaches for a minute or two. They say there is no big speech or revised game plans being given.


Yep I have heard the same thing about the halftime adjustments, they worked all week putting in a game plan, 10 minutes in the locker room is not going to change the plan imo. I am sure there are some in game adjustments but that is just coaching in general, you get behind by three scores you may have to ditch the running game, you are getting torched by a receiver you may have to slide a safety over there to help out etc.


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I'm gonna trust the guys playing and coaching. 15 minutes of halftime flies by especially when it takes a few minutes uses just walking from field to locker room and make. Adjustments are made in real time. Coaches on sidelines and up in booths all talking to one another and telling players what to do when they are on the sidelines.


I think that whole halftime adjustment thing is fiction. Kinda like a backup QB carrying a clipboard.

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I'm not taking anything away from either of those QBs but this past year the Chiefs also had a top ranked defense and many of the Patriot years tgey had top ranked defenses.


AND Patriots had a defensive minded coach that may be the best at halftime game plan changes to stop other team in second half. He always had the game where TB can be close enough to make a last minute drive for the win. TB is one of if not the absolute best at not succumbing to pressure. He seem to always make the pass or decisions on last drive.



I've heard many head coaches and players say there is no such thing as halftime adjustments. If yiuvwait till halftime then you will lose. They all say the players use tge bathroom, get a snack and might see their position coaches for a minute or two. They say there is no big speech or revised game plans being given.


They all have different opinions on this but nobody did it better than The Patriots. The rest may not do it but the rest didn't build a dynasty.

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kinda my point the Patriots made it happen Peyton didn't one has 6 SB wins one has one. HMMM I am betting the Patriots did a better job of it then Peyton did.

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You can't lump the Pats in with anyone....because of Brady....you just can't....Tampa ring a bell? He's the difference....there are no others unless Mahomes does what he does for 10 or 12 more years


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kinda my point the Patriots made it happen Peyton didn't one has 6 SB wins one has one. HMMM I am betting the Patriots did a better job of it then Peyton did.



Perhaps Brady was just a better QB and the Patriots just had better teams.

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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo


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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo



I really wanted him to do well but from what I saw last year he won't cut it in the NFL. He seemed to get knocked down very easily and didn't seem to get my yards after first contact.

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Originally Posted by Darin S.
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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo


What are you basing that off of, history ? or this years draft class and new def co ?


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Originally Posted by Happykamper
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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo


What are you basing that off of, history ? or this years draft class and new def co ?


It was just a few years ago cow fans thought DQ walked on water and wanted him as your HC. I don’t think a new but old dc and a few rookies are going to change things in 1 year. I believe you guys also lost a couple of interior D lineman. You will be better with Overshown coming back but he’s not a thumper. We shall see.


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Non Cowboys fans keep bringing them up. popcorn

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Originally Posted by Darin S.
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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo

McCarthy has never run the ball, even when he had Rodgers.

He had a HOF QB carry him to one super bowl. Other than that, he hasn't really won anything meaningful. His team came completely unprepared to 3 games last year (SF, Buffalo, GB). He's supposedly any offensive coach but couldn't win games against SF the two years before when the defense held them to 23 and 19. He's the Dak of HCs.


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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo

McCarthy has never run the ball, even when he had Rodgers.

He had a HOF QB carry him to one super bowl. Other than that, he hasn't really won anything meaningful. His team came completely unprepared to 3 games last year (SF, Buffalo, GB). He's supposedly any offensive coach but couldn't win games against SF the two years before when the defense held them to 23 and 19. He's the Dak of HCs.


Make up your mind, is McCarthy or Dak the problem ? How many coaches have won a SB without a hall of fame QB ? Just curious as I have no idea, And now Zeke is back, go ahead and let us know how bad that contract was lol.


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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo

McCarthy has never run the ball, even when he had Rodgers.

He had a HOF QB carry him to one super bowl. Other than that, he hasn't really won anything meaningful. His team came completely unprepared to 3 games last year (SF, Buffalo, GB). He's supposedly any offensive coach but couldn't win games against SF the two years before when the defense held them to 23 and 19. He's the Dak of HCs.


Make up your mind, is McCarthy or Dak the problem ? How many coaches have won a SB without a hall of fame QB ? Just curious as I have no idea, And now Zeke is back, go ahead and let us know how bad that contract was lol.

Jerry is the problem.

Dak and McCarthy are symptoms.

I've said this since the beginning.


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kinda my point the Patriots made it happen Peyton didn't one has 6 SB wins one has one. HMMM I am betting the Patriots did a better job of it then Peyton did.



Perhaps Brady was just a better QB and the Patriots just had better teams.


the cowboys other than the quarterback and coaches are a better team than most of the teams the Patriots won the SB"s with.

you missed my point the patriots did things differently as Josh stated in the article. You can believe it or not but it's his view of what made the patriots better through those years.

TB is one of if not the best quarterback to ever play in the NFL. I am just going on a limb here maybe part of it is learning how to be a great coach from Josh, Bill and the other coaches. He learn what it takes to win SB's. He got sides ways with Bill when Bill started decided to look for another star quarterback. Tom looked around to what he could find closes to the Patriots and it was the Tampa team who had a great offensive minded coach, he took his tight end with him, great receivers, and a really good defense. They only needed a quarterback to Win and he with 20 years experience of winning and winning SB's. They win one there and lose the other. The Tampa team was just the Patriots with a better offensive minded coach instead of a defensive minded coach.
I don't think BB or TB are HOF worthy without the other. TB learned a lot from those guys that made him great. He wasn’t self made, but he took what he was taught and did more with it than any other quarterback in the history of the NFL. just my .02 and yes I am a fan of JM and TB

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Originally Posted by BassFever
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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo



I really wanted him to do well but from what I saw last year he won't cut it in the NFL. He seemed to get knocked down very easily and didn't seem to get my yards after first contact.


Agreed that he really didn't show NFL talent. He flashed in preseason but once he played against NFL starters he couldn't perform.

Maybe he got stronger and can be a situational player and perform. If not he is a draft bust.


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Non Cowboys fans keep bringing them up. popcorn

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Originally Posted by RayBob
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Deuce is still on the roster


Will he see the field this year? It really doesn’t matter bc McCarthy will never commit to running the ball so it doesn’t matter who you have. I see more of the same…Cows won’t be able to run the ball or stop the run against good teams imo



I really wanted him to do well but from what I saw last year he won't cut it in the NFL. He seemed to get knocked down very easily and didn't seem to get my yards after first contact.


Agreed that he really didn't show NFL talent. He flashed in preseason but once he played against NFL starters he couldn't perform.

Maybe he got stronger and can be a situational player and perform. If not he is a draft bust.

None of the RBs last year had a hole to run in. McCarthy has never had a run game in any of his time in the NFL. Him calling the offense instead of Kellen Moore was great for Dak, but terrible for the RBs. I think Zeke is gonna run for about 500 yards this year. But if he's the starter, that pretty much means we're abandoning any attempt to run the ball as a weapon. It's a pass-game only approach this year.


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